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post Apr 14 2009, 05:23 PM
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Many job titles are called 'mangement trainee' and sometimes accompanied by other descriptions like IT or sales. I notice that some are attachment programmes to expose trainee to various departments but some are just simply IT or sales position. So what does it actually mean?
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post Apr 14 2009, 05:47 PM
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Well...you ask a very good question but unfortunately there is no clear meaning...not in Malaysia..

A true management trainee allows fresh graduate an opportunity to have a glimpse of what the company operation is all about. For example, Banking management trainee allows the person to work on different department to let them have an experience of all different aspects of the operation. This would allow mainly fresh graduate to know which operation or what kind of work he/she prefer.

However, a lot of companies abuse the term "management trainee" and some hired them to do very basic admin work. From sales coordinator or just helping out in the office. Even worst, some companies use this term to con someone in and do an entirely different job altogether...like selling unit trust, MLM type of business.

So it is important for jobseeker like you to do some research first about the company. Normally, reputable companies do have a good management trainee program. If it is an unknown companies....go to the interview and evaluate for yourself whether it is a genuine management trainee program. Ask them what the position will do. If still in doubt, post it here and we will check it for you.
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post Feb 12 2012, 09:34 PM
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fms group is hiring for management traineee.. will it be a reputed job or really management trainee or they will make a fool?
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post Feb 14 2012, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (surbhi11 @ Feb 12 2012, 09:34 PM) *
fms group is hiring for management traineee.. will it be a reputed job or really management trainee or they will make a fool?

Hi Surbhi11,

Can you provide us the advertisement URL of the job ad? I can't seem to find any current openings for FMS Group on JobStreet.com.

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Perhaps there are real "Manager Trainee" jobs out there, but in the 40 years I have been in the job market, I have yet to see one.

Most job postings for "Manager Trainee" are come-ons for ripoffs. So beware.

The following is an excerpt from my blog, regarding my experiences with such "Manager Trainee" adverts.

See: http://livingstingy.blogspot.com/2011/12/m...er-trainee.html

(if you think about it, why would a company advertise for such a position? They either want managers or employees. No one hires someone to "train" as a manager. But it sure sounds appealing to someone with no job skills and a hunger for advancement!)


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The position of 'Manager Trainee' doesn't exist, really. But it sounds appealing and people apply for that reason. Usually, it is a con-job, not a real job. 9 times out of 10 it is an MLM scheme or door-to-door sales.

I mentioned in the last post about people who don't pay employees, and what scumbags they are. But there are a LOT of employment scams out there, where people prey upon the desperation of the unemployed, which is a pretty low thing to do, to be sure.

I thought it would be a good idea to relate a true story in this regard, that happened to me, back in 1986. I did not get conned, as I saw through the scam pretty quickly. But it was an interesting scam to observe, and these sorts of folks are around in one form or another, even today.

If you want an inside peek at how these sorts of con artists work, rent The Great Wall of Sound from Netflix. It is not the same scam, but some of the hallmarks are similar.

I had just graduated from school and was looking for a job. My boss at UTC told me that they were moving the EE department to Hartford, and that they would be downsizing in a few years. He was right, too, and working there would have been a dead-end. I applied at a lot of places, sending resumes out, going on job interviews, and perusing job postings at the placement office at school. I also send out "cold" resumes and cover letters to companies - all the usual gambits.

And I checked the want ads in the local newspaper, too. And since there was no "Monster.com" back then, there were one or two real ads in there, for example, one from a local Steel Mill that wanted someone to maintain their creaky older British-made relay-logic system for their rolling mills (what fun!).

Needless to say, I am glad I decided to get into the Patent Business. Engineers these days are treated like dirt.

But one ad caught my eye. It said "Manager Trainee wanted! No experience necessary! Make $50,000 in the first year!"

I strongly suspected it was a con-job, but since I had to drive into the City for another interview, I thought I would see what it was all about. They told me to show up at 10:00 AM the next day. I tried to ask questions as to what the job was all about, but they were vague and evasive, and told me that everything would be explained at the "interview" and that this was a great opportunity for a hard-working individual.

I stopped at the address the next day, about a half-hour early. It was an older, smaller office building that had seen better days - the sort of place that might have once housed Dentists offices. Inside, they were unpacking boxes and the phone company man was wiring up the phones, which were scattered on the floor.

One of the "managers" met me, full of enthusiasm, and lead me into his "office" which had a battered desk in it. "Excuse the mess," he said, "but we're expanding rapidly in this market! And this is a great opportunity for you to get in on the ground floor!"

We talked a bit more, but he was evasive when I pressed him for more details. He said the "interview"would begin at 10:00, and at that point, I noticed a number of other people trickling in. Now at this point, I figured out that this was a con-job. But my curiosity made me stay around to see exactly what they were up to.

By 10:00, about a dozen people had arrived. Most were casually dressed and clearly not "manager trainee" material, but rather unskilled workers. Listening to their conversations and talking with them, I realized that most were either unemployed or were working at, or had worked at, minimum wage jobs all their lives, usually in restaurants or the like, and were looking at this as an "opportunity" to get ahead.

The "Manager" I talked to, Chuck, lead us all into the "conference" room, where we had to stand, as there were no chairs or other furniture. The whole operation had a fly-by-night feel to it. We were told again and again what a great "ground floor" opportunity we were being offered, but without any specifics as to what it was about. Some others came in and gave testimonials about how much money they were making and how they could afford to buy a new car, and that sort of thing.

We were lead in a series of cheers, in sort of a call-and-response kind of thing. "Does anyone here want to be a SUCCESS? Can I hear you say YEA??? YEA!!!!" - that kind of thing. It had the feel of a revival meeting. And of course, all the "Managers" and people giving testimonials all had that plastered-on kind of plastic smile that only televangelists and sociopaths (once again, I am being redundant) have.

They took their sweet time explaining the con. "Everyone likes music, right?" they said, "All your friends like music, right? How much do you spend on records and tapes every year?" Of course, this was before CDs, when we still used Cassette tapes.

Charts went up, showing record industry sales, retail sales for record albums, etc. Then came the pitch. What we were to do was become "distributors" for music. It sounded pretty glamorous. What the real deal was, of course, was that we were to sell cassettes door-to-door and to our friends.

And of course, the hook was, we had to buy the "starter kit" of cassettes, for only $500. And with that "starter kit" they would give you a box of cassettes that the record stores couldn't sell, and likely you wouldn't. That is, presuming you got even that, and they didn't in fact just take your money and move on to the next town.

I slipped out the side door. One of the managers intercepted me. "You aren't leaving now, are you? This is a GROUND FLOOR opportunity!"

"Look," I said, "You don't want me in there. If I stay there, I will have to loudly say what a rip-off this is, selling cassettes door-to-door. So I tell you what, you go your way, and I'll go mine."

He let go of my arm and let me go, nodding in understanding.

I suppose I should have gotten up at the meeting and said "Hey, everyone, this is all a ton of BULLSHIT! Walk away from this!"

But, I suspect it probably wouldn't have done any good, and 25 years of experience since then have confirmed this. When you tell people something is a rip-off, not only do they not believe you, they actually defend the people ripping them off. And moreover, the rip-off artists will spin your outrage into their favor.

"Well of course Mr. [Disgruntled Former Employee] says this is a con. But he just didn't work the system properly! If you don't want to do the work, you won't be a SUCCESS! And who wants to be SUCCESS! YEA!!!"

Let's face it, you can't argue with that "logic."

It was an interesting experience for me, to see this seamy underside of the world. And it saddened me to think that these hard-working but not-very-bright folks were being conned out of money as they tried to climb our socioeconomic ladder.

But such schemes have been going on for at least 50 years, if not a century, and it is clear that we can't rely on the Government to shut them down - you have to rely on your own internal compass and skepticism.

I mentioned before in this blog how a hapless friend of mine was briefly snared in telemarketing jobs. Graduating from Expensive University with a useless degree and a 2.5 grade average, he was shocked to discover (as the Occupy protesters are) that no high-paying jobs were waiting for him.

He answered an ad for a "Manager Trainee" and got a job with a company doing what is called the Freezer Scam. He sat in a telephone "boiler room" cold-calling people and offering to sell them a side of meat for a startling low price per pound. Many folks jump on this offer, as it sounds "Too Good to Be True". However, since most folks don't have the space for a side of beef, the company helpfully offers to sell them, on time, a freezer to put it in.

And the gag is, of course, that the freezer is sold for nearly double retail price, plus interest. It is hardly a good bargain, and when you get done paying for the freezer, the interest, and the electricity to run the freezer, well, the price per pound of that side of beef is more than what you'd pay at the grocery store, retail.

He quit that job after a few weeks and answered another "Manager Trainee" ad, which turned out to be selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door. The product was not bad, just overpriced by a factor of at least two. They took the people out in a van, and dropped them off in poor neighborhoods. They then walked door-to-door trying to convince people to spend $600 on a vacuum cleaner, paid for "on time" of course. He made one sale - to his Mother, before quitting.

Such "jobs" are really not jobs at all. And in many cases, they don't pay, they leave town, they pay little, they pay on commission (which results in you making less than minimum wage) or they ask you to buy a "starter kit". Just walk away from these sort of things.

And the effect on the people involved is devastating. The folks who go for these scams end up ripped off, depressed, and convinced that life is just one big con game, and that the whole system is rigged. And this has a corrosive effect on our society as a whole. Every person ripped off in scams like this is one more person not willing to defend his country against outside aggression. Why bother? His country wasn't there to defend HIM. And in fact, the government institutions PROTECT the con artists in many situations.

But alas, that ain't about to change soon. Many of these con artists take in tens of millions of dollars annually - enough to buy Judges and Congressmen. Yes, in some States, Judges are elected, and campaign contributions talk. Act shocked.

The only defense, therefor, to the con-games and rip-offs is your own internal compass and your own skepticism. When someone offers you something-for-nothing, you just have to walk away. Whether it is Glenn Beck selling gold, people offering free ponies, or job offerings for the mythical position of "manager trainee".

Just walk away!
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post Jun 6 2012, 04:46 PM
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I disagree with the previous reply.
Management trainee jobs do exist.
Yes, there may be some companies who use the job title ' management trainee' just to entice people to work, without fulfilling the promise of climbing the career ladder.

However, there are plenty of people around the world working in management, and there is no doubt that some of these people got there via the management trainee route.

In fact, it is in the interest of many companies to train their managers up, in-house, rather than recruiting externally. Companies who train their managers in house can train them in their own methods, and to their own standards/procedures, and can usually do this more cost effectively in the long run than hiring externally.


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post Jul 9 2012, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (Maryama @ Jun 6 2012, 04:46 PM) *
I disagree with the previous reply.
Management trainee jobs do exist.
Yes, there may be some companies who use the job title ' management trainee' just to entice people to work, without fulfilling the promise of climbing the career ladder.

However, there are plenty of people around the world working in management, and there is no doubt that some of these people got there via the management trainee route.

In fact, it is in the interest of many companies to train their managers up, in-house, rather than recruiting externally. Companies who train their managers in house can train them in their own methods, and to their own standards/procedures, and can usually do this more cost effectively in the long run than hiring externally.


Well, sorry to break it to you, but I think you are being naive.

I have been in the job market for about 40 years. And at General Motors, United Technologies, United Parcel, The United States Govenment, and the various law firms I have worked for, there was never, ever a job description of "Manager Trainee".

Why is this? Well in most work environments, they promote from within. So if you have a department with a dozen people, one is the manager, who used to be an assistant manager (not a "trainee") who before that, worked in the department as an EMPLOYEE not a "trainee".

No one hires someone to bypass the "employee" part and go directly to "manager" without doing their time, somewhere.

The fictitious position of "manager trainee" is perfect for the CON ARTIST as it preys upon the weakness of the average working Joe. He sees these ads for "manager trainee" and thinks, "Gee, this is perfect, I can finally advance to management! All I need to do is 'train' for a while, and I will advance!"

But what these chumps fail to realize is (a.) wouldn't the company merely train someone who already works in that department and has experience? and (b.) maybe the reason Joe Paycheck is not advancing in his career is that he is not cut out to be a manager.

Want to become a "manager"? Go to business school. Or work your way up through the ranks, like most folks do.

There is no secret shortcut to the top, and that is the fantasy sold in these ads for "manager trainee" positions.

If you see an ad for "manager trainee" you should be very skeptical. Particularly if it says, "no experience necessary!"

There are no free ponies.

Maybe things are different in Malaysia. On the other hand, maybe things are pretty much the same there - and con artists prey upon the dreams of the needy, just as they do in the USA.

All I can say is, be SKEPTICAL. A posting that says "manager trainee" that is a SALES position, has nothing to do with training or managing. It is just a SALES job - probably on commission. And probably a ripoff.

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post Oct 8 2012, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (Melissa @ Feb 14 2012, 09:51 AM) *
Hi Surbhi11,

Can you provide us the advertisement URL of the job ad? I can't seem to find any current openings for FMS Group on JobStreet.com.

Thanks.


hi, can i ask too?
this is a management trainee ads link:
<invalid link removed>

can u guys check it for me whether this is a con-job or a real deal?

thanks.
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post Oct 9 2012, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (spencerhastingsfan @ Oct 8 2012, 08:42 AM) *
hi, can i ask too?
this is a management trainee ads link:
<invalid link removed>

can u guys check it for me whether this is a con-job or a real deal?

thanks.

Hi,

We can't access the link that you gave as it links to your JobStreet account. That is not the job ad link. The job ad link is accessed by clicking on the job advertisement and the URL will appear at the top. Alternatively, you can also give me the company name and position title by sending me a private message (PM). Do include your login ID and email address as well via PM.

Kindly also let us know why do you think that it's not a genuine job ad? Have you been for an interview with them?

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QUOTE (Melissa @ Oct 9 2012, 05:21 PM) *
hi, can i ask too?
this is a management trainee ads link:
<invalid link removed>

can u guys check it for me whether this is a con-job or a real deal?
Thanks.


Again, these are not even listings for "Jobs" as one poster tried to claim above. That poster claimed that "Manager Trainee" was merely mis-descriptive.

That is not the case. It is not even a job. Usually it is a complete rip-off where they ask YOU to send THEM money.

In case you are not paying attention, with a real job, they pay YOU.

You see these all the time on Craigslist. The hallmarks are that the job description is very vague or incomplete.

Here is one I found today:

"Rapidly expanding consumer finance company is seeking an assistant manager/manager trainee in the Brunswick & Kingsland Locations. Competitive salary with aggressive bonus plan and benefits package included. Excellent communication, customer service, mathematical, spelling and computer skills are necessary. Inside collections, outside collections, valid driver's license and dependable transportation are required. Qualified applicants will be trained to manage their own consumer finance location. If you are a high energy person who can assist the branch manager in ensuring operational standards are met, financial standards and goals are achieved and customer service levels are a priority then you need to apply. Please e-mail resume for consideration. "

Sounds like a great opportunity, right?

Wrong. They want to SELL YOU a franchise for a consumer finance agency. You hand them a pile of money and then they disappear, along with your dreams.

Here is another one, which is likely a come-on for door-to-door sales, this time for ASSISTANT manager trainee (!!!). No, such a job title is entirely fictitious.

"ASSISTANT MANAGER TRAINEE
Large National Corp. is looking for three people to assist Manager.
Duties include recruiting, training and marketing of new products.
Willing to train. Must be neat, willing to work, and ready to start immediately.
Earnings of $575 to start per week."

If you go on Craiglist or any job posting site, I am sure you can find countless hundreds of others. They are all CONS, plain and simple. The job title doesn't exist in the real world.

If you want a real job, get a real job.

Want to be a Nurse? go to nursing school and be a nurse. Want to be a Cook? Same idea. Engineer? You get the picture.

There are no high-paying jobs for "motivated individuals" with no real job skills or real experience. There are just rip-offs and cons.

Learn something useful. Learn a skill. Whatever it is, people will pay you for it.

People will pay you to type, weld, wire a house, plumb a toilet, write a paper, design a circuit, fix an air conditioner, cook a meal, or deliver a pizza. And yea, I can do all of those things and and have been paid to do so.

No one will pay you to be an "assistant manager trainee" or whatever. Yes, in retail, if you work there long enough, you might be promoted to "store manager" - but "manager trainee" doesn't exist.

Poor people and desperate people are convinced there are 'cushy jobs' out there that pay high salaries and all you have to do is sit in a corner office and be a big-shot. I guess the think the television show "The Office" is based on real life.

Sadly, real life ain't that way. No one wants unskilled workers.

Rather than chase these illusory dreams, I think a better approach is to look for a real job. Get some job skills and some experience, and you will be hired - and paid well.

But you can't "start at the top" as a "manager trainee" - life just doesn't work that way.

And your desperation and your dreams make you prime fodder for CON MEN.

When they take all your money, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Here is another one I found, on Craigslist. Notice how vague the description is, and how utterly lacking the qualifications are!

These cons are not hard to spot, once you stop being a "true believer".

"We are looking for an individual who is serious about their career. They know that what they put into their career is what they are going to get out of it. They also know that the company they are looking for is well established (over 50 years, and part of a Fortune 1000 company). They want a company that cares about their success, and is dedicated to personal growth, and professional development.

Our company has a well established marketing plan, and a strong niche market (50,000+ groups internationally) and has a product that has value, and is a necessity (over 6.5 million customers worldwide). We train constantly, and only promote from within, which is based on performance, not on seniority. We care about people and that is why we are #1 in our market internationally.

We are looking for someone with a strong track record in either sales or management, but we are willing to train the right candidate with the right attitude. Our management trainee's make $45K-$65K their first year, and $70-$80K after that. Our tenured managers make six figures annually. We offer benefits (Life, Health, and Retirement), flexibility in schedule, supportive and family oriented work place, and a genuine career opportunity. Knowledge of a second language is an asset, but is not required. For consideration for this position, please forward your resume and a brief cover letter Attn: Jacksonville Recruiter.

Requirements for consideration:
Strong Work Ethic
Positive "Can-Do" Attitude
Excellent People Skills
Quick Learner
Reliable form of transportation
Complete Integrity
Able to pass state background check "

B.S. - utter B.S. If you can't see it, well, I can't help you.....
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Hi,

I just want to check, is Nestle and Berjaya Group would really conduct a real Management Trainee? and also, I'm still not quite understand about Management Trainee.

Would there will be any benefits of becoming Management Trainee before i really looked into jobs? I'm kind of interested with Management Trainee but i need some more

details about it. What actually happened during Management Trainee for a fresh graduate like me.

Thanks.
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QUOTE (shroomies @ Jun 23 2013, 01:05 AM) *
Hi,

I just want to check, is Nestle and Berjaya Group would really conduct a real Management Trainee? and also, I'm still not quite understand about Management Trainee.

Would there will be any benefits of becoming Management Trainee before i really looked into jobs? I'm kind of interested with Management Trainee but i need some more

details about it. What actually happened during Management Trainee for a fresh graduate like me.

Thanks.

Hi shroomies,

Yes, Nestle and Berjaya both being a reputable company would have a proper management trainee program. What that would mean is as per what Daryl mentioned earlier as below:
A true management trainee allows fresh graduate an opportunity to have a glimpse of what the company operation is all about. For example, Banking management trainee allows the person to work on different department to let them have an experience of all different aspects of the operation. This would allow mainly fresh graduate to know which operation or what kind of work he/she prefer.

It is definitely a very good opportunity so you should apply but it will not be easy to get selected as there will be many candidates eye-ing this position as well. Make sure you have an outstanding resume that differentiates you from the rest.

All the best!


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QUOTE (shroomies @ Jun 23 2013, 01:05 AM) *
Hi,

I just want to check, is Nestle and Berjaya Group would really conduct a real Management Trainee? and also, I'm still not quite understand about Management Trainee.

Would there will be any benefits of becoming Management Trainee before i really looked into jobs? I'm kind of interested with Management Trainee but i need some more

details about it. What actually happened during Management Trainee for a fresh graduate like me.

Thanks.


Just make sure you are applying to the real company. One other scam that many con-artists use is to post a job with a promising sounding title like "manager trainee" and then ask you for money for airfare or whatever. These are obvious scams.

If you google Nestle and "manager trainee" they do have a website for NestlePurina, that lists some "entry-level positions" for "manager trainees" which appear to be legitimate.

These could be good ground-level opportunities for a recent graduate, but they are entry level, not some step up the management chain.

But for the most part, any job title of "Manager Trainee" is just a con job. You should be suspicious of any job posting from a company that advertises this position, particularly if the job description is vague and he company name is not mentioned.

Good Luck!

P.S. - if you are IN school, you might want to look for a Co-Op position. These are jobs offered by companies, usually in the tech sector, to college students who are working their way through college. While this may delay your graduation date, it provides real-world work experience, which is what employers are really looking for.
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I have been invited to Management trainee position In EKG Network in Penang. Could you please check if this company is not a con company that requires to do door to door sales/road side sales. Is this position a valid and is this company reputable
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I have been invited to Management trainee position In EKG Network in Penang. Could you please check if this company is not a con company that requires to do door to door sales/road side sales. Is this position a valid and is this company reputable

Hi Aparnna,

We will look into this and update you accordingly.

Since you have been invited for an interview, you can also ask the person who contacted you for more information regarding the job role and job scope. If during the conversation you found the employer to be suspicious, kindly PM me the details in order for us to investigate further.

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QUOTE (Melissa @ Jun 28 2013, 05:50 PM) *
Hi Aparnna,

We will look into this and update you accordingly.

Since you have been invited for an interview, you can also ask the person who contacted you for more information regarding the job role and job scope. If during the conversation you found the employer to be suspicious, kindly PM me the details in order for us to investigate further.

Thanks.

Hi Aparnna,

Upon checking, it is a genuine employer. The employer says that there won't be any door to door sales. The job role is more to create brand awareness by setting up of booth etc. They have serve customers such as NKF, Celcom, Maxis etc.

If you require more information, the employer invites candidates to call them at 60-04-2262252 or email them at hrpersonnel.ekg@gmail.com.

However, as with every job, it is always best to exercise caution and if you happen to find any employer to be suspicious, kindly PM me the details in order for us to investigate further.

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Hi,

I just want to check, is Starbuck would really conduct a real Management Trainee (retail)?
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QUOTE (Zrynae @ Oct 2 2013, 06:39 AM) *
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I just want to check, is Starbuck would really conduct a real Management Trainee (retail)?

Hi Zrynae,

We believe that they would but if you would like more information about the position it would be best to check with the employer directly if you have been shortlisted for the position.


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hi.. i just got an invitation for interview at x-treme dimensions sdn bhd for the position of management trainees in marketing/sales..can somebody tell me is this a genuine company or not?i am quite in doubt after i read this forum.
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QUOTE (nfb @ Oct 21 2013, 07:55 PM) *
hi.. i just got an invitation for interview at x-treme dimensions sdn bhd for the position of management trainees in marketing/sales..can somebody tell me is this a genuine company or not?i am quite in doubt after i read this forum.

Hi nfb,

X-treme dimensions sdn bhd are a genuine company. In their job ad, you can see to the right that they have a SSM number and it is verified. You can click on the number to view more details.

As for the job that they are offering, it is best to look at the responsibilities and requirements in the ad to see if you are interested and suitable for this position.


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